Paul Thorner's family from Lipno and Kikol

Here's why and how I think we're related:

Good News!
In the spring of 2013 Richard Thorner and Rick Thorner each took the Y-DNA test and learned that they had zero degrees of separation! This suggests that they have a common ancestor just beyond our information horizon.

Chshunstovsky name was changed to Thorner
We are both related to Molly Thorner Russek.
Molly's husband Allen Russek signed the death certificate of Paul's grandfather Abraham.
Paul received from his father a document listing Gedalia Thorner and children
Both Thorner families were in the Paper Box Factory business in New York.

My great grandfather Gedalia Chshunstovsky was married to Glicke Teronchek.
Family lore says that the Thorner name was appropriated from the Teronchek side.
My best guess is that Paul is the descendant of a marriage between Gedalia’s sister Itta/Yetta and Glicke’s brother Yankel.
(where did I get those names?)
OR
Our great grandfather Gedalia Chshunstofsky was a brother of Paul's grandfather Abraham Chshunstofsky
There are Gerald Thorners in both families
Ruth Thorner Wiseman told me that a cousin Wolf Thorner met her dad Theodore when he arrived in US 1898 and offered the Thorner name.
There was a Wolf Thorner in Paul's family

Here's how we found one another:

In about 2002, my first cousin Richard Thorner, Mel's son, arrived at the Bellagio Hotel in Las Vegas.  He was travelling with his wife, Ann, and his brother and sister-in-law, Stephen and Susan Woodcock.  After checking in, Richard's brother telephoned his room, and the hotel operator asked "Which Richard Thorner do you want, the one from Texas or the one from New Hampshire?" This was the first indication of a second Richard Thorner. Later in the day, Richard received a voicemail message stating "Hi, this is Richard Thorner from Texas.  I am wondering if we are related.  Please call me."  After exchanging a couple of more voicemails, Richard (from New Hampshire) was finally able to speak in-person with the other.  "The only Richard Thorner I am aware of from Texas is a doctor who went to Dartmouth."  "I'm the guy," responded the other.  The two arranged to meet later that evening.  Dr. Thorner and his wife arrived (after playing poker), and Richard asked him about his family.  Both families had come through New York and were Jewish.  Dr. Thorner's grandfather was Theodore, and he had an aunt, Ruth.  Richard had a great-uncle, Theodore, who had a daughter, Ruth, but they were not the same.  Finally, Richard asked Dr. Thorner whether or not his family had changed his name.  Dr. Thorner responded in the affirmative and that name was Chshunstovsky, the same family name as Richard.  Further research was needed.

Another coincidence is that both Richards graduated Dartmouth College, Dr. Thorner in '68 and Richard in '86 (note the numeric similarity).

Richard, knowing I was interested in family history, put me in touch with Richard's father Paul.

In 2002, Paul and his wife Edith came to California to visit their daughter Nancy and invited me to come over to talk and compare notes.


February 26, 2013: San Antonio, TX: Richard Thorner and Rick Thorner


February 26, 2013: San Antonio, TX: L to R: Alice Thorner, Katherine Thorner, Rick Thorner, Len Sobel, Ellen Stack, cousin B, Barbara Stack, Ann Thorner and Richard Thorner.

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